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the pancakes-and-car-ride approach

About 20 minutes

The Pancakes-and-Car-Ride Approach

okay so. last lesson was about why the big assignment never gets done. this one is the other half of that problem, the family half. because even if you get yourself sitting down and writing, you still need stories out of other people, and other people are not going to sit down and write them for you.

i learned this the hard way with nichole. i asked her, at some point early on, to write down one memory of her own mother. just one. she said sure, she'd get to it. she meant it too, she wasn't blowing me off. but "i'll get to it" turned into a week, then a month, then it had been so long it felt like a whole project instead of one sentence. it took eight months and one very casual saturday morning to actually get it out of her. and the thing that finally worked wasn't asking again. it was pancakes.

here's the thing. if you wait for family to hand you their memories, you'll wait forever. not because they don't care. they just forget, or it feels like homework, or they assume they don't have anything worth saying. you have to catch them casual. pancakes. the car. folding laundry together. somewhere nobody's being interviewed.

why this actually works

a formal ask puts pressure on the answer. "can you write down a memory of grandma" sounds like an assignment, and assignments make people freeze, or stall, or produce something stiff and dutiful that reads like an obituary. but "hey, what did grandma make for sunday dinner" over pancakes gets you an actual answer, usually a good one, usually with a laugh in it somewhere.

people don't remember in outline form. they remember sideways. you ask about the truck and you get the truck, the road up the canyon it kept stalling on, and the swear word grandpa used every single time. that's the stuff you can't get from a form.

how to set it up at home

pick your moment, not your topic. breakfast, a drive, doing dishes side by side. somewhere there's no eye contact required, which takes the pressure off both of you. car rides are actually the best for this — nobody has to look at anybody, everybody's a little bored, and boredom makes people talk.

ask small and specific, not big and open. "tell me about your childhood" is a wall. nobody climbs it. "what did you eat for breakfast growing up" is a door. people walk right through it.

don't write it down in front of them, not at first. pull out a notebook or your phone and the casual thing turns official again. just listen. write it down after, in the car, at a red light, whenever you get a second. you'll remember more than you think.

say thank you and stop. don't chase it with four more questions. let it be one small thing. you can always come back next week with pancakes again.

the part where i almost ruined it myself

i want to tell on myself here, because this connects to something i've mentioned before, about the spreadsheet stuff versus the person stuff. i once sat down to write up one of these little conversations and what came out was basically a list. she said this on this date, she said that at this age, this happened in this year. i read it back and thought, this is a spreadsheet with feelings pretending to be a story.

so even when you get the good, casual, pancakes-table answer out of somebody, you can still turn around and flatten it right back out if you're not careful. the fix, same as always, is one honest sentence instead of a list of facts. don't write "grandma made breakfast for the family every sunday from 1961 to 1979." write "grandma always burned the bacon a little and nobody ever told her." that's the sentence people actually want to read.

my opinion on this, since we're here: you don't need it to be word-for-word accurate to be worth writing down. if grandma tells you the bacon story different every time, pick the version that feels the most like her and write "the way we tell it is—" and just go. a story everybody loves beats a transcript nobody reads.

one caution, since we're talking about catching people off guard

be a little careful with grief stuff. if you ask something casual and it turns out to be a tender memory, a parent who passed, a hard year, don't push past it just because you want the material. let them steer. you can always come back to it later, or not at all. the story's not worth it if it costs somebody something in the moment.

before next time

try one pancake-or-car-ride ask this week. doesn't have to be deep, doesn't have to be planned out. "what was your first car" is plenty. bring back whatever you get, even if it's three sentences, even if it's just the truck and the swear word.